Köppel spricht mit Solowjow: Hitlers Vernichtungskrieg, Merz & Co. und die Heuchelei des Westens

00:00:06: Good morning, as we say in Switzerland.

00:00:12: Well I do remember.

00:00:13: it's extremely important.

00:00:15: there are many versions of German language and never ever try yet to underestimate the importance of speaking proper German.

00:00:22: you know Swiss version Austrian version German version Indian side German versions a whole bunch of different variations

00:00:30: And for us this is extremely important.

00:00:34: swiss german is our crucial element, instrument of differentiation with which we show and display.

00:00:44: We are not Germans!

00:00:46: And when I'm listening to you i sometimes have the impression that to mix something up... ...that you talk to the Swiss but you mean actually the Germans?

00:00:57: Europeans

00:00:57: yeah.. I bet you

00:00:58: hold strictly the line here.

00:01:00: sure There's always a line, of course.

00:01:02: Especially when we're talking about Italy in part of Switzerland.

00:01:05: Yeah, Logano... Absolutely!

00:01:09: Well yeah, ofcourse Okay.

00:01:10: so what kind of Europeans to Peter have to fight this morning?

00:01:15: So what are the misunderstandings with Russia?

00:01:18: What are they new?

00:01:20: We shall thinking from Europe like oh Russia is losing, Russia is this, Russia that?

00:01:27: Because every time when I read comments on your side, they have a feeling that people living those comments we can easily divide.

00:01:34: Part of them are actually very much interested in knowing the truth and at least to hear our point-of-view others just trying to say come one.

00:01:42: how do you speak with such an ugly person?

00:01:45: Aren't you Putin

00:01:46: fahshtaya?!

00:01:47: And YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND!

00:01:49: HE'S THE ONE WHO SHOULD NEVER BE LISTENING TO!

00:01:51: Those are usually Ukrainians... Actually, it's quite easy to determine them because they're saying oh now you see Putin's troll farm is leaving all the comments.

00:02:01: Don't trust him.

00:02:03: So let's leave this nonsense aside.

00:02:05: Let's talk about serious things.

00:02:08: a week passed since our last conversation Are we getting closer or further away from the war?

00:02:15: And The answer is tragic.

00:02:17: We are getting even closer today war.

00:02:21: I think I totally agree with your introduction that this is stupidity.

00:02:26: of not engaging in dialogue is really a big problem and causes, on all sides by the way this kind of propagandistic hyperbole.

00:02:37: This overconfidence of your own position that I think you are right to point out especially Europe these feelings or perceptions are prevailing.

00:02:51: what occupies me at the moment?

00:02:54: probably we can discuss it First, I see that especially in Germany there is this strange feeling.

00:03:01: That they really start to believe that Russia is almost done on the battlefield?

00:03:08: There's no progress whatsoever that Zelensky immediately before declaring victory.

00:03:17: and it's interesting that the BBC anti-economist which are not truly Russian loving publications or Kremlin-loving publications, both of them counter this narrative.

00:03:31: In the economies they say in Kramatorsk there are actually dismantling the industry and putting it thousand kilometers to the west, which is not a sign of Russian defeat.

00:03:44: I mean obviously they're preparing that the Russians are getting closer.

00:03:48: And then we have the case in BBC of... I can't pronounce it correctly... Konstantin Jovka

00:03:56: where

00:03:56: through surprise of The English Journalists russian soldiers were seen.

00:04:01: but In the German general audience These news are not there.

00:04:06: And the second observation to start this program off, I made my show this morning about a very gloomy topic.

00:04:16: I was talking about The Operation Barbarossa This book here by Andreas Hilgruber which is one of the best books ever written in German language And it is striking if you read what's in here.

00:04:38: I mean, It's abominable its absolute abyss of terrible ideological criminal behavior.

00:04:47: they wanted to annihilate the Russians, they wanted to subjugate them into the status of a slave people and cutting apart.

00:04:58: The Soviet Union as some crazy American generals are planning it today.

00:05:04: but interesting fact Vladimir is that on last Monday on the twenty second when they remembered eighty five years operation Barbarossa there were very few articles in German media Memorating it.

00:05:20: that was the spiegel we have to say.

00:05:22: the Spiegel brought you on the cover story.

00:05:25: But he could see that there is.

00:05:27: in the German public this seems to be the tendency of playing these all down.

00:05:33: And because Russia, the Soviet Union is a victim in this narrative and they don't want to let it come into perspective which I think was considerably different before when there were huge articles always like eighty years or seventy years of Operation Barbarossa.

00:05:52: This time its another cup of tea.

00:05:57: Guess why?

00:06:00: Because there's no difference!

00:06:04: There is no difference.

00:06:06: and that's the when ambassador of Germany in Russia meaningless punk with With a last name That he disgraced because his

00:06:20: Grand-grandfathers

00:06:22: worked and served Russian Empire on very important position.

00:06:28: He

00:06:29: dare on the twenty second of June On the day of mourning in our country And great sadness of great catastrophe for all people.

00:06:43: He is talking in Russian language, addressing our people and saying oh no-no.

00:06:48: but you have to keep in mind that nowadays you are warring Ukraine And your attempt to falsify it or lie about history.

00:06:59: You

00:06:59: shouldn't be doing this!

00:07:01: It has zero right To say that we're fighting Nazis.

00:07:05: Go talk to Polish People.

00:07:07: Nowadays when Poland is saying that Ukrainian Nazis are glorifying Melnik and others That used to be Nazi, it's Nazi ideology And now Ukraine is glorifying them.

00:07:27: And thats why Polish political leaders ascending Now at first they're saying by the way we taking back The award of this white eagle or whatever And by the way, we're sending back Ukrainian words.

00:07:46: This time this German guy there to teach Russians what is right and wrong.

00:07:54: German!

00:07:57: When Germany itself exists nowadays only because of Stalin and Gorbachev.

00:08:06: So that's why when were talking about Germans & German language I can tell you honestly even when the time was right i've been Russian Jew would never ever go to Deutschland.

00:08:21: I can never...I have many friends in Russia that are Russian Germans and they respect them a lot, the German people coming from different parts of Germany played extremely important role in Russian history starting with Ekaterina the Great then with Russian general scientist.

00:08:39: no question but when i hear german language well you can imagine Bineju, when I hear German language that sounds so much like Yiddish.

00:08:56: There's only one feeling inside me... Only one feeling.

00:09:01: Hatred and sadness And it is something they have to fight on me!

00:09:11: I realize this should be like this and great German language has nothing do with Nazi ideology.

00:09:18: But Is It True?

00:09:20: Or German Nazism is at the top of the cultural and philosophical development of German philosophy, and German religion belief.

00:09:35: It's very scary thought but it is still there!

00:09:41: That why when we are saying that for you Nazi and Nazism should be just part of the historical process And they should be addressed only towards?

00:09:55: We don't see this way... ...we say as ideology Even by killing leaders, you're not killing ideology and it's still there.

00:10:08: And when we look at first Schultz then Merts, Baerbock and all others how do they see them?

00:10:17: They are basically in the same mainstream of German cultural and ideological machine that once put on a very top Not Germans by nationality And at first, not even a citizen of one of the German-related states.

00:10:37: But Austrian!

00:10:40: They put it on top and they adored him... ...and loved him.

00:10:46: You were not willing to fight Nazism.

00:10:52: you enjoyed it, you loved It.

00:10:57: You felt extremely comfortable in this ideology with Olympic game in Berlin with Raffenstein, all those beautiful documentaries.

00:11:09: With the sculpt of superheroes!

00:11:13: With Nietzsche and Wagner... ...with a great overmunch

00:11:20: that

00:11:20: will find the territory they have in order to survive.

00:11:26: And then suddenly these ugly barbarians from the east destroy The beautiful life that Europeans had.

00:11:41: Those old those slaves, they cannot use anymore.

00:11:46: All the treasure is coming

00:11:47: from Russia Ukraine Belarusia.

00:11:49: That used to be known as Soviet Union.

00:11:52: all the

00:11:52: masterpieces of art go into the galleries and private ones Of the German French and all European establishment.

00:12:03: Great Switzerland with a neutral

00:12:06: status

00:12:07: prospering from every single side of the conflict and stating we moral obligations.

00:12:14: come on, were neutral.

00:12:15: We are neutral

00:12:17: almost but money used to be neutral.

00:12:22: And what happened with many of those Jews that were killed?

00:12:29: What happen

00:12:29: there?!

00:12:30: We won't discuss it now!

00:12:33: It's neutrality Of course But nowadays with money of Russians what we can do with them?

00:12:39: Well, that's completely different story.

00:12:41: Come on the Russians now.

00:12:42: come on Russians.

00:12:44: they managed to do this or did it was on the front line.

00:12:47: I'll tell you what's in the frontline Yet another exchange of dead bodies.

00:12:52: Do

00:12:52: know what's the ratio?

00:12:55: We gave back two Ukrainians.

00:12:57: five hundred and fifty three if i remember correctly Killed Ukrainian soldiers.

00:13:04: You know how many were received back?

00:13:07: Take a wild guess.

00:13:10: Yeah, it's the ratio I guess is totally different from what we are reading in our newspaper.

00:13:18: We gave five hundred

00:13:19: fifty plus received back thirty-plus When were talking about.

00:13:27: well Russia is almost what Russia on every single position where moving forward and not only Le Mans Not Only Konstantinovka?

00:13:42: Yes, we're doing our job.

00:13:45: It's not hundred kilometers per day.

00:13:47: it is not ten kilometers a day its hundreds meters.

00:13:50: but everyday Sumy Kharkov Talk with people there talk about how many villages and little towns in Dnipropetrovsk Gubernia have been relocated.

00:14:09: We are do now the job But what is most important thing We're doing it steadily and our losses cannot even closely be compared with Ukrainian losses.

00:14:21: But you can not check Because that will kill the fairy tale.

00:14:25: That Russia is losing.

00:14:27: Russia will never lose on the war field Never ever.

00:14:31: we live in The War.

00:14:35: That's the part of our survival court, we know how to fight.

00:14:39: we now where Russians would love to suffer.

00:14:42: so All the misfortunes, all the hardships.

00:14:46: They cannot destroy our will and Our soldiers and our generals.

00:14:53: they are THE best in the world The Best In The World.

00:14:58: but what I'm looking at right now is yet another cutting plan of the Western hypocrites When they love to see how Russians are killing Russians How Slavic people are killing Slavic People and they applaud it.

00:15:15: And their willing to do whatever It takes for those barbarian tribes To destroy one another.

00:15:23: The benefit our natural resources.

00:15:27: as usual

00:15:29: West

00:15:30: never brings civilization, west brings humiliation.

00:15:36: That's why your colonies Never been developed and you'll pay For it not Swiss Of course, Europeans.

00:15:46: How many people from colonies were governing Austro-Hungarian Empire?

00:15:54: How many of them were governing and running United Kingdoms?

00:16:00: And when they said, oh come on Russians in the empire have been always extremely harsh with their colonies not even close!

00:16:11: Look at Russian aristocracy.

00:16:14: How many of them came from colonies?

00:16:17: Who were running?

00:16:18: Russian Empire, Germans, Ukrainians, Georgians starting with the Russian Empire and Soviet Union.

00:16:26: Who are Russian generals?

00:16:28: through all over Europe!

00:16:30: All nationalities... Through all territories that became part Russia.

00:16:36: What people we destroyed up to the point of annihilation?

00:16:40: none Soviet union Baltic states, oh they suffered severely.

00:16:45: That's what we started discussing.

00:16:48: population of Baltic States increased economy increased level Of consumption was higher than in Moscow.

00:17:00: Members of Politburo how many of them were from Baltic state?

00:17:03: a lot on the most important positions.

00:17:07: Russian military yes.

00:17:09: secret services Yes everywhere.

00:17:12: Oh, we were really by whom?

00:17:15: By people of your own nationality.

00:17:19: Stop

00:17:20: giving us this baloney!

00:17:22: Talk with facts on our hands.

00:17:24: Kaya Kalas.

00:17:26: Have you ever asked a question what family Kaya Kala came from?

00:17:31: Have they ask the same questions in history?

00:17:33: The family history of Kaya kalas?

00:17:36: Just enjoy reading it.

00:17:38: She was very top notch Soviet official.

00:17:42: she was born with silver spoon.

00:17:52: I mean, it

00:18:12: was impressive what you were just saying.

00:18:16: And I'm listening to you and I respect your point of view, and can share many of your observations.

00:18:25: You're absolutely right in pointing out this extremely dangerous arrogance based on a militarism without military today which seems to have enchanted or somehow bewitched some of our politicians in the Western Hemisphere.

00:18:51: Fortunately, there are not just guys around you mentioned like Carlos and others.

00:18:58: I mean we have a complete or rather Different American government now has a totally different position on the Ukraine war.

00:19:08: But of course, the Europeans and I can understand what you're saying are playing very sad role in this respect And i guess also very dangerous role.

00:19:17: You have to tell our viewers What will be consequences Of this, you know the Russians are already lying on the ground hanging in the ropes and now we can somehow come from a position of strength In order to dictate our terms of peace.

00:19:35: I mean This seems to be a bit The mentality in some of those Quarters into european

00:19:40: wishful thinking.

00:19:42: wishful i mean You can elaborate on that.

00:19:45: but you brought up another thing.

00:19:49: It's for me one of the most interesting and disturbing questions that we have to face.

00:19:58: And this is the question of this evil national socialism which was epitomized by most terrible all wars ever launched, which were the invasion into Russia.

00:20:16: And I just want to stress this on the basis of a German historian, Andreas Hilgruber who said that behind these invasions was primarily This rotten ideology Of racism on steroids The attempt To destroy and annihilate the so-called Jewish Bolshevik world conspiracy To really tear it out with its roots and then to push down the Slavic people in Eastern Europe, And Russia took some kind of eternal serfdom.

00:20:58: This was not figured-out by some lunatics In a madhouse who you know they didn't give them their daily doses Of tranquilizers but there were guys figuring this out, which in their spare time were listening to Mozart.

00:21:18: Some of them graduated.

00:21:19: they had their dissertations In European history and German history And you know what?

00:21:25: This is the crazy thing!

00:21:27: It was not just some like conscious evil but these guys.

00:21:33: They were convinced that they are doing mankind a service.

00:21:39: This means They were enabling themselves, ermächtigen themselfs.

00:21:46: They were declaring themselves like some kind of saints who are delivering goods to the earth.

00:21:55: I mean they thought that we're very close To the highest ideals Of whatever they want Whatever they called it their kind of civilization.

00:22:06: And this is what I called the triumph of moralism, not of morality.

00:22:13: Of moralism over common sense and This Is What We Saw At The Time.

00:22:18: Your question is how deep is that ingrained in the national character?

00:22:30: Is this some kind of, as Daniel Goldhagen wrote in Harvard University.

00:22:36: This is a declaration to the inner being... ...of culture that culminates into murderous insanity?

00:22:47: I have thought about it and it still haunts me but there's more explanation than you do.

00:22:57: I would never embark on a narrative and say, well these are the Germans.

00:23:02: These are evil bastards or these are Europeans who are capable of this stuff And we Russians Or others We're good guys.

00:23:15: Evil is exclusively reserved for other side.

00:23:19: This simplification I think in case of Operation Barbarossa This culmination of insanity is somehow the display... ...of how human beings can behave.

00:23:33: Even highly cultivated nations, which had a best-of relationship with Russia!

00:23:39: You were mentioning Alexander Graz Lamstorff?

00:23:42: I was in your foreign ministry and saw all pictures from former Foreign Ministers of Russia and of course the Tsarist Empire.

00:23:52: And some names were very strangely written in Cyrillic, I was asking this guy what are these names?

00:23:58: And they said, these are all the lambsdorfs.

00:24:00: They have this strange Baltic German name so you can see it's different than Russian names.

00:24:06: There was a symbiosis between the Germans and Russians.

00:24:10: there were also conflicts.

00:24:11: we had a symbioses of culture Also political inspiration.

00:24:16: I want to remind that your favorite communists Your cherished Stalinist Lenin and Stalin ideologically inspired by a German, by Karl Marx.

00:24:30: And we as Swiss say every time there's a

00:24:34: fuck-up in history Germans are involved.

00:24:37: But again I want to point out that this madness, this crime This operation Barbarossa should be A display for Every human being and We Should Say This Is The Possibility.

00:24:51: If We Let Politicians Act without checks and balances if we give too much power to the political elites.

00:25:00: And here I dare say highly respected Vladimir Solovyov, that in this respect there can be said a lot of things about the emergence of national socialism.

00:25:16: If these guys were so stupid and in the end they made a crime of a millennium, how was it possible that a lot of Europeans at the beginning thought this as weapon against the perceived enemy?

00:25:39: The Bolshevik state.

00:25:40: It's Russia!

00:25:43: It

00:25:43: was Lenin, let me say this.

00:25:45: This is something you are missing out here.

00:25:47: I studied it thoroughly.

00:25:49: There were a lot of Russian noblemen noble people in Germany In the twenties and they were telling The Germans have You seen what the Bolsheviks Have done to the Tsarist family?

00:26:01: Have you seen these cruelty These annihilation Of class?

00:26:06: They destroy the kulaks They kill the entrepreneurs puts the bourgeoisie to The gulag.

00:26:15: and this of course was Highly seen in Europe.

00:26:20: Was highly seen in Germany,

00:26:22: which was

00:26:23: totally unfairly Totally unfairly after the First World War.

00:26:27: now it's my turn to speak.

00:26:29: Germany was humiliated by the great by encouraging

00:26:32: you

00:26:33: By the United States of America.

00:26:35: they were saying you are All only you are to blame for the first world war.

00:26:41: You have to pay four thousands of years.

00:26:43: I mean they were creating this hatred, disresentment but i'm afraid to say Lenin probably stalling a bit less.

00:26:52: But Lenin he was declaring World Revolution on German soil.

00:26:56: The communists They're not just Mother Teresa's running around in Berlin and Munich.

00:27:03: Therefore, we have to understand that this madness which culminated in Germany.

00:27:08: I totally agree and it's a disgrace Vladimir.

00:27:11: It is a disgrace how they are not talking about today.

00:27:15: its disgusting How the same people who declared themselves to be great moralists?

00:27:21: They're very quiet And there always speaking of history and their woke attention To the evils of history.

00:27:29: Its all crap.

00:27:30: i agree with you because when he doesn't Of course not!

00:27:47: Don't touch Switzerland, we agree on that.

00:27:50: And I have to give you some, how do say additional training that they had to explain it.

00:27:58: Because the Americans and Russians never understand what the Russians should be understanding because our neutrality we owe also to Russia which was in love with a girl from Nezotel who has great guy like his educator.

00:28:17: so again I agree with a lot of you what you say, but don't take the wrong conclusions.

00:28:25: Let me put some wood into this fire.

00:28:27: Am

00:28:27: i right or am i wrong here Vladimir?

00:28:29: You're absolutely right.

00:28:31: more than that talking about Lenin and Stalin And they don't adore them... ...I just realized their place in history.

00:28:39: Lenin Entrotsky Sure!

00:28:41: Lenin & Trotsky Two fathers of Russian revolution.

00:28:46: Both

00:28:47: came into Russia, from abroad.

00:28:50: During the First World War Trotsky spent a lot of time in New York a year.

00:28:56: All the expenses all money that he managed to gather were six hundred dollars but He managed to live with a nice apartment With the limo driven by the chauffeur and they had a refrigerator at this time.

00:29:11: Very expensive detail!

00:29:13: He was given ten thousand dollars Great amount of money for this time.

00:29:19: He was given passport and through Canada.

00:29:21: And Britain, they delivered him into Russia At the same time.

00:29:28: The country that is fighting Britain Germany.

00:29:33: Get Lenin from Switzerland Put them on a sealed train And get him Into Russia For the same purpose To destroy Russian regime That at this Time Was governed by Romano family That were relatives of all great royal families ruling Europe and UK.

00:29:57: And the tragedy of the Romano family when they were destroyed by Bolsheviks happened after United Kingdom, after King George – the cousin of Nicholas refused to give him refuge.

00:30:12: Betrayal?

00:30:12: Of course!

00:30:14: But what's the difference?

00:30:15: Yes... When you're talking about Gulag are we first one to invent it?

00:30:19: Definitely not.

00:30:20: Are we the first one that has been cruel to its own people?

00:30:23: Definitely not.

00:30:25: Were there a lot of Russians who were hating and fighting communists, Of course!

00:30:32: More than this... One of the ideologies The greatest, you know.. One of THE GREATEST The black evil The Satan himself Rosenberg.

00:30:43: He came from Russian Empire From Baltic states That was part of Russian empire at this time One of the greatest enemy of Russia.

00:30:55: they had on Finland manor game.

00:30:58: He used to be Russian general.

00:31:00: Yeah, he was in Leningrad in the army cadets as a young man

00:31:04: in San Peter this time.

00:31:06: so of course So definitely we're talking about almost at the same intellectual field The differences that the anti-Semitism Was part of European history for many years.

00:31:22: since forty ninety two Martin Luther.

00:31:28: He hated Jews.

00:31:31: that was so Obvious For German culture That grew up on this hatred.

00:31:38: That's why when they're saying about awful crimes of Germans Nazi Germans, they'll say come one what are They?

00:31:47: you blame us forward for killing Jews seriously.

00:31:51: That's what Europe was doing since the fifteenth century.

00:31:56: What is new in it?

00:31:58: Robbing them, that was normal for every single part of civilized world.

00:32:04: In the thirties American senators were stating well you know there may be some things we should argue with Hitler but his attitude toward Jews is absolutely correct.

00:32:17: so called red sheep when A lot of social democrats, people with social democracy that were Jews by nationality and came from the Russian Empire was sent back outside of states because they are far too difficult.

00:32:33: Anti-communism is one of the main features in America of the thirties.

00:32:40: And when you're saying anti-Judaism come on.

00:32:43: But what have been done to their black population in United States?

00:32:46: Is it any different?

00:32:49: Ideologically wise?

00:32:50: why?

00:32:51: its okay Afro-Americans, but it's not a hate to hate Jews.

00:32:55: That is what Germans were saying during the enermic trial.

00:33:00: So whats new?

00:33:02: Thats why right now its coming back But in Russia its different.

00:33:07: Yes we've done alot of terrible things against our own population and its horrible At this time.

00:33:13: unfortunately that was happening all over the world Armenian Poor Amirians, awful genocide in Osman Empire.

00:33:22: Poor Irish people of the nineteenth century.

00:33:25: Poor Indian population on the territories that were controlled by United Kingdom.

00:33:31: Russians and Austro-Hungarian empire.

00:33:35: Boars during the Anglo-Boar War Of course!

00:33:39: People are cruel but in our mentality there is Russian Orthodox Church And Dostoevsky.

00:33:49: But what happened with the mentality of civilized Europe?

00:33:53: In our history, we adopt cultures from different nationalities and people.

00:33:59: That's why all our aristocracy is international as such not like in Europe.

00:34:06: We have Tatars, Germans... Scottish people bring everyone And they get into their highest position at Russian Empire.

00:34:16: No problem That's an old code.

00:34:20: And that's why, funny enough Stalin by the way if to be exact he destroyed almost every single old Bolshevik.

00:34:31: He completely turned around philosophy of Lenin and Marx because for Lenin Russia was not valuable at all.

00:34:45: it is just a match great proletarian revolution all over the world.

00:34:50: For Stalin, it became different only after quite a few years.

00:34:55: so of course there's not much left from pure Marxism

00:34:59: Of course.

00:35:01: My former mentor A great Swiss journalist who wrote for The New York Times in the nineteen seventies Even though he was never employed by the new york times He was a great journalist and he was some kind of a mentor for me And he was the grandson of the personal assistant of Lenin in Zurich.

00:35:21: And I still got from him an unpublished manuscript by Leon Trotsky, which is my office in Zurick and his family had very close ties to Lenin!

00:35:33: It was interesting how he told the story of Stalin... He would subscribe everything you said that Stalin somehow destroying all the Delinian people around him, etc.

00:35:45: And there is another point I have to stress here which is also very interesting.

00:35:51: in nineteen...I think it was in nineteen thirty-eight or thirty seven.

00:35:55: i think it's thirty eight.

00:35:57: There was a conference by the way in Evion as we have seen it now with the Americans.

00:36:04: The Conference

00:36:05: of Betrayal Of Jewish People!

00:36:07: Absolutely,

00:36:07: this was a conference of shame where the German Nazis came and said who wants to take the Jews?

00:36:14: We want to get rid off them.

00:36:16: And only two countries offered their help It was Nicaragua and it's the dictator of Dominican Republic, Rafael Trujillo who said I want to have one million Jews that can work as peasants on my island.

00:36:31: Hitler received from Canadian Prime Minister at this time – his name wasn't Trudeau but he wrote a letter to Hitler congratulating on politics against

00:36:44: the Jews!

00:36:46: And he asked for understanding that.

00:36:49: you know, Canada we cannot take them because this would create civil uproar.

00:36:55: But I mean the tragedy in Germany and Americans

00:36:59: sent back the ship with Jews

00:37:02: absolutely!

00:37:03: The tragedies of course... This is a German aspect, it's they overdo everything.

00:37:13: I mean anti-Semitism in Europe was of course In the Middle Ages.

00:37:18: It was very strong in Spain and also in England But then it was France.

00:37:24: The Affair Dreyfus Was such a total scandal And this makes the whole story even sadder!

00:37:35: You had what you can call as symbiosis of so-called Jewish life and German life.

00:37:42: Why was it that Berlin, what's the world?

00:37:45: capital?

00:37:46: Of industry!

00:37:47: Of banking!

00:37:48: Of

00:37:48: culture!!

00:37:49: Of

00:37:49: universities!!!

00:37:50: Of filmmaking!

00:37:51: I mean Hollywood... It wasn't particularly a joke but i mean the Germans were up there And all the directors Billy Wilder you called.. You named them....I mean you know them all by heart.

00:38:02: I mean these are all Germans of Jewish origin.

00:38:08: It's still a shocking mystery how it was possible that on this there came a guy out of nowhere and he could somehow mesmerize or whatever you want to call, the Germans.

00:38:24: And at the end they... They came up with killing millions of Jews!

00:38:32: Again for me is his story which just shows me human beings are very terrible and that the lesson here, of course ideology is there.

00:38:43: I agree.

00:38:44: You know human beings.

00:38:45: you just said it.

00:38:46: they're a bad.

00:38:47: everywhere There's great Russians.

00:38:49: They have bad russians!

00:38:51: There are great swiss.

00:38:52: there are assholes in Switzerland.

00:38:54: i can give your their addresses no disagreement about that but what we should keep in mind never gives politicians too much power Never allow them to delve into their own insanity and this is something you have to respect as well.

00:39:12: There are

00:39:13: reasonable

00:39:14: people in the West, In Europe...in Switzerland

00:39:18: hundred percent.

00:39:20: that's why

00:39:21: every time

00:39:21: I'm saying they say we're afraid of Russia because for us it is somehow disturbing That You Have a President which rules in twenty six years Which has an authoritarian rule.

00:39:36: You know, the people don't understand.

00:39:37: They're not as educated as you are and

00:39:43: therefore I see... Unfortunately we were running out of time.

00:39:49: But that thing is.

00:39:50: but we elected him And it was no twenty six years.

00:39:55: well We elected him man plus we had Medvedev.

00:39:57: And there's a big question.

00:39:59: Roosevelt would be running the United States as long as the voters want him to be president and Angela Merkel was running Germany for an enormous amount of years, it is no problem!

00:40:12: The great founding father of Singapore was running Singapore in an enormous number of years.

00:40:19: when we are talking about the nineteenth century or eighteenth century.

00:40:25: Any reason?

00:40:26: if we're talking about the right state of mind

00:40:30: Absolutely, let

00:40:31: me say one

00:40:31: very important.

00:40:32: You know are you married?

00:40:34: Well.

00:40:34: If a person is married should he be forced to divorce every four eight years in order To get yet another wife or husband?

00:40:42: so there's very easy question if that person has done his job perfectly Why do they have to change him?

00:40:48: if people don't want to change?

00:40:51: Good good point.

00:40:52: Let me just say one more very important thing.

00:40:54: I think it's an absolute disgrace that someone like you is banned and sanctioned in Europe, I mean this is eternal disgrace.

00:41:03: It's a shame.

00:41:04: i totally agree.

00:41:05: because its so important Because your probably... I know not everybody but you are of those people from Russia who can really eloquently display how u see the world Very convincingly.

00:41:18: It's desperately needed that guys like you are heard in Europe, In order to crush this wall of ignorance which they build around themselves.

00:41:26: But one thing as a kind of bridge building element at the end of our program Never underestimate incompetence and stupidity in human affairs And somehow people just undereducated.

00:41:40: it needs more explanation.

00:41:42: I agree.

00:41:43: Not too fall-in love with prejudices and some aspects of European national character.

00:41:51: There are so many terrible things, but shouldn't we focus also on that which still unites us?

00:41:57: Which still brings us together... I know it

00:41:59: sounds

00:42:00: naive But i don´t give up this hope.

00:42:02: You're

00:42:02: a hundred percent right.

00:42:03: That's why Russia is always welcoming tourists.

00:42:07: We all was ready to discussion.

00:42:09: We were always every time even yesterday.

00:42:13: Yeah, we are open for negotiations.

00:42:17: We're very open to peace talk.

00:42:20: and what do you hear from the West?

00:42:23: No!

00:42:24: You Russians know...we shouldn't do that.

00:42:27: And one last phrase First of all thank you for your bravery.

00:42:33: Second of all just a little thought What happened with Jews in Europe?

00:42:43: The attitude Doesn't it remind you what's happening with Russians now, the attitude-wise?

00:42:52: That is a scary thought.

00:42:54: We'll discuss this next week!

00:42:55: Thank You so much, Roger!