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00:00:00: Your

00:00:00: country has been invaded!

00:00:02: There is no longer people there that represent interests of Europeans.

00:00:07: People of Europe,

00:00:09: wake up!

00:00:10: Who have brought us into this terrible situation?

00:00:14: Russian President Putin decided to escalate... You are crying.

00:00:19: you're crying.

00:00:20: the West is escalating.

00:00:22: what did u expect exactly?

00:00:24: we expected you to die!

00:00:36: I was wondering what you just were saying, it sounded interesting but unfortunately i didn't understand a word.

00:00:42: Oh!

00:00:44: It's too bad that interpreters are also working on both sides... You spent quite some time in Russia and made very important interviews with Margarita Simonyan and Dmitry Peskov Russian leaders being heard in German speaking and English-speaking parts of Europe, the world.

00:01:14: Interesting!

00:01:16: It was very enlightening for me... ...and I just saw a new cover story from The Economist is an interview or essay by Andrei Melnichenko, the famous Russian entrepreneur.

00:01:30: He speaks about a whole strategic situation and he says that the weakened Russia not in interest of world stability brings up you could say the grand perspective.

00:01:44: this I think it's interesting guilty of too much sympathy for Russia.

00:01:53: They are reflecting more the English, the Great Britain position but they're coming up with such an interview which can be a indicator that this need for understanding and mutual discussion is growing.

00:02:09: let's hope.

00:02:16: a strategic step on the scale of escalation that just happened in Ankara.

00:02:29: The NATO meeting, which basically declared war.

00:02:34: Nowadays Europe is working as the rear of Ukrainian army that's sponsored and armed by European countries.

00:02:47: We've just saw that European leaders after ass leaking ceremony They signed all possible deals on escalation, stating that yes they are behind and part of the deep strikes on Russian oil refinery.

00:03:05: And creating tension inside Russia for the purpose of enforcement Russia into peace.

00:03:23: That's escalation that can lead to peace.

00:03:26: Okay, guys Wake up and smell the coffee.

00:03:29: you want escalation?

00:03:31: You'll get escalation.

00:03:32: I'm not Mitriy Peskov And by the way it's not his responsibility To declare war or decide what and how will be done by our military.

00:03:43: Yes We're extremely responsible state.

00:03:45: so for this steak of surviving in this world you think that deep strikes for our refineries create tension that can lead to enforcement as to peace, will destroy every fucking single refinery you have in Europe.

00:04:03: Because they are working on the benefit of Ukrainian Nazis.

00:04:08: And if u want to argue one more time we cannot call them nazis.

00:04:12: go to Polish guys.

00:04:14: They called them nazi.

00:04:16: Even European parliament admitted it's Nazi.

00:04:20: You want suffering of Russian people, you'll get suffering of Europeans.

00:04:25: All this blah-blah-blas shit that well there are certain forces in Europe they won't peace.

00:04:33: It's only one purpose.

00:04:36: One purpose Get to the temperature of water which you boil us upto the level without saying that.

00:04:44: And you unfortunately dear Roger have those beautiful wishful thinking.

00:04:49: You're still trying to be good, and you are as a person.

00:04:53: But we don't see that your country has been invaded!

00:04:59: And there is no longer people here who represent the interests of Europeans.

00:05:10: They have stolen what they thought was yours.

00:05:13: Nowadays they have zero influence on European politics.

00:05:18: People in Europe, wake up When finally you'll see Russian rockets hitting most important refineries in Europe, when we will hit and have to hit all those factories that are working for the interest of Ukrainian Nazis And they're on Europe.

00:05:40: Who's gonna suffer?

00:05:42: Of course please do not buy houses!

00:05:46: Please leave houses near these locations.

00:05:53: Wake up guys, they've stolen everything from you.

00:05:57: You do not control your own governance.

00:06:00: It's controlled by homosexual lobby is controlled by Alex Skarp whomever he has Stolen the most important part of every single government The monopoly on violence.

00:06:16: Now the excessive use of force that has been always done only by the Government has been delegated to Palantir.

00:06:26: Now, Palantire is deciding who's gonna live or who's going to die.

00:06:30: now Palantier is deciding whether Russian girls in Starabelsk are gonna be killed or not Or Iranian girls under school?

00:06:38: He is making decision with his protocol and his program Not the officials that have been elected.

00:06:44: Governments

00:06:45: Are losing The most important monopoly.

00:06:48: they always had Monopoly on violence.

00:06:52: You don't see it.

00:06:54: You still believe in good.

00:06:55: I see

00:06:55: it crystal clear dear Vladimir, and now i'm going to tell you what you are not seeing at all.

00:07:04: Please do mean

00:07:04: there is one big snorting elephant In the middle of the room?

00:07:23: situation.

00:07:24: Who was the man who decided in February, twenty two?

00:07:30: In starting a special military operation which is now lasting longer than The Great Patriotic War Which even Dimitri Peskov the eloquent and well reflected spokesman of the Kremlin starts to call A full scale war.

00:07:48: I mean Russian president Putin Decided To escalate a situation in Ukraine where I agree with you.

00:07:57: A situation, crisis problem which has been created by the West.

00:08:02: I agree.

00:08:03: Look who's

00:08:03: talking!

00:08:04: My man!

00:08:05: February

00:08:06: twenty-two

00:08:06: Putin!

00:08:07: Yes

00:08:08: that is his fault.

00:08:09: yes it's Putin's fault as he

00:08:11: admitted it.

00:08:13: Let me mention something.

00:08:15: He decided to escalate.

00:08:18: In this sense if you do that You have to win.

00:08:25: and now you're

00:08:27: talking

00:08:29: Russia.

00:08:30: with this decision your president he underestimated Ukraine, he underestimated the West.

00:08:38: And now?

00:08:39: You are crying!

00:08:41: The west is escalating.

00:08:42: what did you expect

00:08:44: exactly?

00:08:44: we expected you to die.

00:08:48: Sure, that's

00:08:52: what I'm telling you.

00:08:53: We expect YOU

00:08:54: to die.

00:08:57: You don't hear me.

00:08:58: Yes we were forced to do that and you are right And thats why i was telling my president That we had to escalate upto the level That no one ever will be able To fight Mother Russia!

00:09:10: We're trying to conduct The police operation.

00:09:13: We haven't destroyed Kiev As you motherfuckers destroy Belgrade Ivano-Frankovsk and Lviv, as you're not you personally.

00:09:23: As your native forces destroyed and tried to destroy Baghdad, Masool... And all the cities there!

00:09:31: We were trying to be nice.

00:09:33: amount of casualties that happened during this special operation is less than amount of people in Gaza being killed by Israelis.

00:09:43: Yes we were unfortunately too much humanitarians, we underestimated your stupidity.

00:09:50: We were trying to protect and save people of Donbass that have been killed in numbers with the help from your motherfucking governments!

00:09:59: That betrayed Yanukovych... ...that in two thousand fourteen gave all necessary means to motherfucking Nazis in Ukraine.. ..that committed a military coup And you've supported them for eight years lying to Russia.

00:10:16: During this time, you supported Ukrainian Nazis to start massacres in Donbass.

00:10:22: When more than ten of thousands people were killed on February... Yes that's true!

00:10:30: On the february fifteenth You started heavy shelling and bombarding Danetsk-Lugansk.

00:10:36: That led them from those places sending their kids And the elderly women out of Donbas.

00:10:46: You are preparing the same operation that you've done in Yugoslavia.

00:10:50: You're preparing to kill Donbass, and because front line went through Donetsk it will take hours to destroy thousands of people there Russian people who don't give a fuck about Again, not you personally.

00:11:04: The western culture.

00:11:05: And that's the important

00:11:07: thing.

00:11:07: So

00:11:08: we had to start

00:11:08: it because in our national memory In

00:11:12: our National Memory It is twenty second of June, nineteen forty one and We saw its coming!

00:11:20: And said never fucking again will be not prepared.

00:11:25: But Because were fighting our brothers Almost Our Miro.

00:11:30: We

00:11:30: want it to be not cruel like you.

00:11:36: And that's why Putin addressed Ukrainian army saying,

00:11:40: we're not

00:11:40: willing to fight you, we are fighting only Nazis!

00:11:44: That is the reason we went there without killing civilians... ...we went to Kiev and were expecting them to do easy steps To de-escalate, to let people of Donbass live the way they wanted it.

00:11:58: We were never talking about Zaporizhia and Herzog.

00:12:01: Never!

00:12:02: In Istanbul we're ready for a sign And that's what we've underestimated.

00:12:06: you You fucking Macron... ...and you damn liar and absolutely corrupted guy Boris Johnson.

00:12:18: They told Zelensky He'll give a fuck about Ukrainians.

00:12:22: Kill them all.

00:12:23: You gonna fight

00:12:24: And that's when it... and yes, you are right.

00:12:27: So now if he wants us to fight we'll fight.

00:12:29: You want to see what Russian soldier is?

00:12:32: You Europeans will have to take this!

00:12:35: If they wanted the real fight then you would've had a real

00:12:38: one.

00:12:39: Yeah

00:12:39: but do know How many times Russian army conquered Berlin?

00:12:45: How many time every single century were marching in Berlin It takes?

00:12:54: I heard that German culture is not exactly THAT stupid.

00:12:58: But no, once again you want to see us!

00:13:00: Yes it's longer than Great Patriotic War but its still NOT as long the war we had back in Peter´s time.

00:13:08: Come on Vladimir...I mean its utter craziness to talk about Berlin if your army IS STILL IN A VERY HEAVY FIGHTING

00:13:16: IN DOMBOS.

00:13:16: Because who are fighting?

00:13:17: It´s

00:13:17: different war

00:13:18: man!!!

00:13:19: IT

00:13:19: IS DIFFERENT

00:13:20: WAR!!!!

00:13:21: Sorry,

00:13:21: but we don't have to march there.

00:13:23: We can destroy it not without crossing borders man now this week and fucking destroy Berlin with out crossing borders as you understand

00:13:33: why I mean who I did when i cannot speak is impossible

00:13:37: for me

00:13:38: to what they're applying.

00:13:39: do you

00:13:39: care about building men

00:13:40: like I care about world peace and that tell you I care russia I care a lot of Russia and I share on the chain cause vision that I say it's utter stupidity.

00:14:12: The

00:14:20: only thing that we can do is enforce peace by destroying you.

00:14:25: My question to you Vladimir, now we are in a situation which historically rather unprecedented.

00:14:33: We have Moscow directly under fire under attack.

00:14:39: This causes huge problem for any government because the prime responsibility of a government is to protect its citizen.

00:14:48: and if you escalate the war, Russia has participated in the escalation!

00:14:53: Russia hasn't created this situation I agree but they have participated in it.

00:14:59: If we start talking about Ryti, Trump or Boris Johnson that's an easy shot.

00:15:06: But the responsibility also lies with Russia.

00:15:10: And if you are arguing, okay now we're striking Berlin Now we're strait-striking Poland We're striking all these guys.

00:15:17: This is just pure desperation!

00:15:20: This is crap.

00:15:20: It's not desperation.

00:15:22: it's World

00:15:22: War

00:15:23: III.

00:15:23: It's no desperation.

00:15:25: The world war is there already Can't you see?

00:15:28: The WW is on.

00:15:31: You are bombarded, you

00:15:33: destroyed Libya.

00:15:34: You destroyed Syria!

00:15:35: You destroyed Afghanistan?

00:15:37: You destroyed

00:15:38: Iraq?!

00:15:39: You destroyed Yugoslavia?

00:15:41: You're destroying right now Iran and you destroy Venezuela?

00:15:46: And you tell me there is no World War?

00:15:49: Are you blind?

00:15:51: No the world war when Russia United States China directly go against.

00:16:01: When Palantir

00:16:02: is fighting directly against Russia,

00:16:13: is it world war or not?

00:16:30: There is no world peace.

00:16:32: In Ankara, they signed an agreement on the war in Russia.

00:16:38: Read a document!

00:16:39: They are continuing their stupid

00:16:45: policy.

00:16:45: It's...Rogi doesn't mean shit.

00:16:47: The important thing it that you're going full scale war against Russia.

00:16:54: So we have only one choice.

00:16:56: Either prevent it by escalation, by bringing war on the territory of

00:17:02: Europe or

00:17:03: let you kill us!

00:17:05: You'll respond immediately after the commercial break as they say in Switzerland...

00:17:11: I only hear you talking.

00:17:12: now is my turn.

00:17:14: Sure man probably.

00:17:16: Ladies and

00:17:17: gentlemen, please forgive this outstanding break.

00:17:19: I will of course give the microphone back to the moderator again, but before that I have a very important statement.

00:17:35: Subscribe to the World Week.

00:17:40: Opposite the other views, independent, critical, well-said for over ninety years!

00:17:56: To fight back, I think there are a couple of important numbers that you have to let Western audiences know.

00:18:07: First we were speaking about February.

00:18:12: of the twenty-two Amount of Ukrainian troops that were concentrated on the front line with Donetsk and Lugansk, wore about ten times more than amount of soldiers on DonetsK's side.

00:18:31: So at this moment of time Ukrainian forces concentrated ten-ten times more soldiers.

00:18:39: Amounts of shelling for this week before We had to start special military operation was greater than ever during the war.

00:18:51: They were bombarding Donetsk in a scale that they never achieved, during coming four and half years.

00:19:02: So we were hundred percent sure That there are planning to start military operations on destroying Donbass.

00:19:13: So basically, we had no choices.

00:19:15: Those numbers are not known in the West.

00:19:18: They never considered that on the west.

00:19:22: That's why all the estimates and evaluation is completely bullshit.

00:19:27: for example I You know that Konstantinovka?

00:19:31: Is the fortress very important fortress that there is seventh largest city in Donbass has been liberated and President Putin Came with initiative to start local ceasefire To let Ukrainians to collect their dead and he refused.

00:19:56: That's why I came up with very, very scary idea.

00:20:01: if they did not want to take the missed inactions And killed soldiers Maybe we should in coffins put them in front of The European Embassy Moscow to let Europeans collect those corpse and bury them.

00:20:22: Because they are behind the wall, because missiles that are striking Russia using French components, Palantir as a target in meaning American-made drones... They're just called Ukrainians but not.

00:20:41: That's why our hatred to the West is growing up And we already see that you are fighting the war against us.

00:20:52: As Margarita Simonyan told, how many Russian tanks?

00:20:56: How many Russian missiles?

00:20:58: How may Russians planes?

00:21:00: None!

00:21:00: How many Germans?

00:21:02: French?

00:21:04: American?

00:21:06: A lot!

00:21:07: Fighting against us... Please go ahead.

00:21:11: First I have to correct you.

00:21:14: there was one newspaper who wrote exactly what we just explained The shelling, the build-up of Ukrainian forces.

00:21:24: And it happens to be my newspaper Die Weltwoche which addressed these issues.

00:21:31: but you are right in public consciousness It's not there.

00:21:37: Second I share your concern.

00:21:40: I think that escalation destroys reason.

00:21:44: And this is why i'm not participating in this escalation of words, because as you well know Words can become weapons.

00:21:54: now the third point.

00:21:56: um i get attacked a lot In the west Because i have to positions i have because i don't share into these mindless demonization Of russia totally absurd vilification, which has lost all proportion.

00:22:15: But still we have to address one thing.

00:22:18: this is a question I ask myself i think but you can correct me!

00:22:25: The president Putin made several mistakes.

00:22:29: We talked about the first one.

00:22:31: if you are escalating yourself even though in a situation of necessity You have to know what you are upto and put in underestimated the enemies.

00:22:41: You can read all his speeches, how he was making fun of the West Ukraine is a dysfunctional state etc.

00:22:49: He underestimated His enemies.

00:22:52: And now we cannot go into whining melancholy Of How bad!

00:23:00: Go into a fight full scale.

00:23:02: Okay, you have to be ready for that fight.

00:23:05: and the second mistake.

00:23:07: But please correct me if I'm wrong.

00:23:09: The second mistake was last year.

00:23:12: i mean president trump.

00:23:14: He is nato.

00:23:15: the united states is natal.

00:23:16: forget germany.

00:23:17: Forget france.

00:23:18: forget great britain.

00:23:19: these are at the moment dysfunctional states.

00:23:23: nato Is the United States of america?

00:23:25: And the american president Trump is the American president who, unlike any other Republican President he's on the side of Russia.

00:23:35: I mean you remember back in two thousand seventeen when Donald Trump was asked by the Fox TV guy Bill O'Reilly what do think about Putin?

00:23:45: And he said i respect him.

00:23:47: and then the fox moderator was totally astonished.

00:23:50: they say

00:23:51: What?!

00:23:51: You're respecting Putin but he's a killer!

00:23:55: Well, he might be a killer but you know there are many killers out there and don't think we Americans so innocent.

00:24:02: So have an American president who is not metaphysically against Russia And was eager on ending this war.

00:24:10: that's still his agenda At the moment.

00:24:13: by escalating it can bring peace closer.

00:24:16: He may make mistakes.

00:24:17: You must convince him to do something wrong.

00:24:20: But somehow along the way Putin was too stubborn.

00:24:24: I mean, come on for ten percent of Donbass territory.

00:24:28: You want to blow up the world?

00:24:30: Are you crazy?

00:24:31: are you totally out-of your mind?

00:24:33: this is irresponsible talk and One should never go into these kind of chamber Of hell even though not even rhetorically.

00:24:43: so why didn't put in just make a compromise?

00:24:46: Why didn't he find an agreement with the Americans?

00:24:51: now Trump is also pissed off.

00:24:53: now he's helping a bit more the Ukrainian side.

00:24:58: He said well they can have the patriots, they can license them in two years.

00:25:02: probably that could build themselves but his not.

00:25:06: as directly involved probably some European countries.

00:25:10: so you can lament on the Europeans.

00:25:13: I share alot of your opinions myself.

00:25:18: I see or we see on the side of your president and i have a respect for you president as well.

00:25:28: I see his great achievements, what he saved Russia from the nineties!

00:25:33: He was the Great Stabilizer or how do you want to call him?

00:25:37: He brought stability...he brought pride..He also brought stability in the world stage.

00:25:43: He doesn't get acknowledged for that, he does not get the proper credit he deserves.

00:25:47: But now...he made some serious mistakes I think and why is Putin so stubborn?

00:25:53: That it couldn´t make a compromise to end this war which is now causing problems for Russia!

00:26:00: And if Russia gets into trouble If you are not able to protect your own people in Moscow In these windows of Russian greatness.

00:26:09: If the cars have to line up in front of gas stations, I don't know Russia so well as you but i can imagine that people are not amused and they do think their government is doing at a moment an extremely good job protecting them.

00:26:27: The question why is the russian president

00:26:31: so insignificant?

00:26:31: Why

00:26:32: didn't

00:26:33: he take the chance

00:26:35: with Trump?

00:26:37: Quite easily.

00:26:38: First of all, sometimes when you run the country You have to make decisions that you cannot not-to-make That are forced to make.

00:26:50: Sometimes we had to make decision when they're not completely ready But if don't make this decision then outcome will be much worse.

00:26:58: It was NOT our desire.

00:27:02: We were FORCEED TO DO IT.

00:27:04: And IF WE DIDN'T START IT AT THIS MOMENT OF TIME Can you imagine in what position will be, In a week or two weeks?

00:27:13: When Donbass is already destroyed.

00:27:16: And What will happen inside Russia when Russian people ask Putin why we didn't do whatever could to stop the massacre of Russians in Donbas?

00:27:29: That would lead to oppressed in Russia and that was one major idea of Western political leaders that were telling at first Poroshenko and then Zelensky to escalate.

00:27:44: So we had to start it, although... Of course!

00:27:49: We weren't planning any form of big war for the last thirty years.

00:27:54: It was not in plans of any military.

00:27:57: At same time you can ask this question to Trump Why have started War In Iran?

00:28:03: And he thought It's going to be over in two weeks, four weeks and six months later it is still on.

00:28:09: And you are suffering!

00:28:11: You cannot win!

00:28:13: You can't ask the same question to Europeans how come that?

00:28:17: they started every single war?

00:28:20: They stuck in Afghanistan for two decades... ...they've started in Iraq for decades.. ..and have lost them all.

00:28:30: So how comes this military campaign?

00:28:33: And they've lost them completely.

00:28:36: They got terror in their countries and could not protect their own capitals from the terrorist attacks, neither in Spain nor Paris or Germany.

00:28:50: So how come?

00:28:51: How can you?

00:28:52: What happened with all your leaders?

00:28:54: They underestimated...they made an old mistake.

00:28:58: That's called real life.

00:29:00: That's true.

00:29:02: When you're talking about Trump and Putin, I was not there in on courage... ...I don't know what they discussed but as far as i'm concerned we've done all necessary steps And We came to certain agreement.

00:29:17: As was told by Mr.

00:29:19: Roushakov and mentioned by people from Kremlin Americans Came To Us With Proposal And We Accepted This Proposals.

00:29:31: And then they went to Zelensky, and they could not force him To accept proposal.

00:29:38: So it's not a question of relationship with Russia and America.

00:29:45: It is the questions about relationship between Trump With Zelensk and Europe.

00:29:52: If you remember after Anchorage there was especially After meeting in White House when Zelenskiy Was completely destroyed Europeans went to Trump to change his point of view.

00:30:06: So they are fighting for Zelensky, their fight against Russia.

00:30:10: when you're saying why don't you sacrifice ten percent off your territory and you willing to destroy the whole world?

00:30:18: Have ever read The Agreement Of NATO, the document itself?

00:30:26: You are stating that every inch square-inch of NATO territory is sacred and you'll find for it.

00:30:34: And now here telling us, to give away ten percent of the territory?

00:30:40: It's never been a question of territory!

00:30:43: Its'a questions people living on this Territory.

00:30:48: That is why we have not actually wanted to conquer Ukraine because its not that we need territory.

00:30:55: We are in largest country in world people living on those territories and their will.

00:31:03: And that's what democracy is about, the word that unfortunately it completely forgotten in the West.

00:31:10: You don't once again not you personally European political leaders Don't even think About People Living On The Territories Of Those Republics.

00:31:20: They Couldn'T Care Less About People In Crimean Zaporozhye Kherson Donbass.

00:31:26: they made Their Choice.

00:31:29: They don't want to be with Ukraine, they don't wanna under Nazi ideology.

00:31:36: We are listening to these people and that's what Putin is saying all the time.

00:31:41: so it's not a question of just territory.

00:31:44: It much more important.

00:31:45: plus immediately if any political leader will say okay I can sacrifice my territory.

00:31:54: Can you imagine?

00:31:55: What gonna happen inside this state for example Denmark?

00:32:02: What they have to do with Greenland?

00:32:04: They have zero basically interest there according to Donald Trump But the quarry into the political forces of Denmark.

00:32:12: We can never do that.

00:32:13: it's sacred and their willing to fight for the land against United States.

00:32:21: I'd love to see this picture, I'd Love to sit.

00:32:24: It will be incredible fights probably about ten minutes or seven minutes but get back to reality.

00:32:33: When we're getting back to reality, you do know history of Russia quite well.

00:32:39: Do they actually believe that by creating tension in Russia?

00:32:44: Creating all the problems for Russian people You will force russian people To say okay let's stop the war or you will force a russian People to see ok Let's fight Europeans lets destroy them and no russian character.

00:33:02: Where Russians will love to suffer?

00:33:05: We'll overcome all the hardships and all their misfortunes.

00:33:14: Well, it sounds like Shakespeare Hamlet but its okay.

00:33:17: But they let me say something.

00:33:20: That would be a question for Europeans.

00:33:21: The answer is quite easy.

00:33:25: Once again West is willing to destroy our state As it happened in nineteen sixteen, nineteen seventeen when a Russian political so-called leaders betrayed its country.

00:33:39: It's happening in nineteen ninety one When Soviet leaders betray these people?

00:33:45: It won't happen again.

00:33:48: Its patriotic war.

00:33:49: as far as we're concerned We are fighting against Nazis and of course Nazis at trying to create hardship for our People.

00:33:57: okay So will have to fight back but they already.

00:34:02: Yeah, but there is one essential difference and this why I'm totally against using these Nazi language.

00:34:13: crap.

00:34:14: Of course.

00:34:14: Crap, tell it to Polish

00:34:16: guys

00:34:17: that

00:34:18: is crap!

00:34:18: No come

00:34:19: on let me... no because you know I know all this stuff.

00:34:23: i know these are terrible guys.

00:34:24: i know they have nazi symbols They have swastikas.

00:34:28: These are terrible Guys.

00:34:30: It's a shame for Europe That we're supporting these people.

00:34:35: Our taxpayers pay For these kind of ultra-nationalist lunatics.

00:34:41: Absolutely agreed.

00:34:43: But

00:34:44: if we start to talk, If you start to shape this conflict in terms of forty one two forty five the great patriotic war there is a huge flaw.

00:34:55: In your argument and the flaws The following Ukraine was sovereign independent state.

00:35:03: they had an interior Conflict with that Eastern provinces

00:35:07: I mean with

00:35:08: the Donbas And of course, there was also Russian influence.

00:35:12: It got out of hand.

00:35:13: you had the so-called some kind of civil war.

00:35:16: You have to situation in Crimea but it's not...it is NOT the case that There was like some lunatic dictator In Europe sending three or four million troops through Ukraine and to Russia in order to destroy an enslave your people.

00:35:34: I mean, this is also a war of your choosing.

00:35:38: it's not just the fate.

00:35:40: you know we had too good wise politician always have an alternative And i think at my point

00:35:48: let me really don't

00:35:49: get it

00:35:50: Roger You really don' t coming from Calvinist ideology.

00:35:57: We completely, from different set of mentality and that's what I told you when we just started our discussions.

00:36:03: That is the big problem.

00:36:05: You look at us And do think basically mentally very close to you but where not?

00:36:13: I agree!

00:36:14: As far as we are concerned there no difference man.

00:36:16: There is no difference.

00:36:18: Nazis killing our people.

00:36:21: Thats it And we don't care whether it's three or four million people from Germany, Or if there are four hundred thousand people in Ukraine.

00:36:30: We do not care!

00:36:30: But you know what is the point?

00:36:31: We care about saving Russians.

00:36:33: They have a very important point here.

00:36:36: This is also for Russian audience important.

00:36:39: I deeply regret that In the West... ...we're hypnotized self-hypnotised by our own propaganda By this image of President Putin being the ultimate evil.

00:36:53: What I see in your program, and you are the Darth Vader of Russian television... ...I'm here to Obi-Wan Kenobi with my laser sword fighting your arguments.. ..I see this same mechanism on your side!

00:37:10: I am not your father!

00:37:14: But I'm not Luke Skywalker.

00:37:16: I am Obi-Wan Kenobi because the former partners,

00:37:22: they were part of

00:37:23: the arms.

00:37:24: You have to watch Star Wars again!

00:37:27: No my thing is world history is a series of misunderstandings and don't dig yourself into a hole Telling to yourself that we are in the situation like nineteen forty one.

00:37:42: We're not

00:37:43: and

00:37:43: Russian, The russian people

00:37:44: were

00:37:45: you know much better than the russian People.

00:37:47: but if they have the impression That the russian president has miscalculated then their willingness To follow him is probably not there.

00:37:57: And the second

00:37:58: year on this same with the same mistake that Hitler made With Stalin yeah he thought it might be six.

00:38:04: He thought that after six months when Russia lost a lot of territory and the people were captured, that Russian people will fight against Stalin.

00:38:15: That's what I'm saying!

00:38:15: You do not understand Russians?

00:38:17: No We see where their problem is.

00:38:20: Putin was our president who elected him And we never elected neither.

00:38:23: Motherfucker Macron has been beaten by his wife nor Schultz nor Merts... ...we didn't give them a chance to decide our destiny.

00:38:33: We are fighting for Russian people, we're not planning to fight.

00:38:37: You decided to participate in this fight?

00:38:40: It was your choice at first... ...to support military coups, to betray Yanukovych.

00:38:47: it was YOUR CHOICE!

00:38:49: That's what Angela told the Russian prankers when she explained that was her idea To do whatever she could to support Ukrainians.

00:38:59: They were doing this they were interfering with these They were planning this and plus we have almost a thousand years history of non-stop war against West.

00:39:15: So man, We are people with memory And we do believe that unfortunately you're not learning any lessons.

00:39:25: I'm not talking about Swiss guys But i am taking mainly.

00:39:28: but look at what Pistorius has to say.

00:39:30: Look at the sign in Ankara.

00:39:33: Look at all those people are saying but once again, you're pragmatic.

00:39:37: You should be as a colonist.

00:39:39: Well, you have to be pragmatic if you put on your territory Europeans Ukrainian manufacturing of military weapon that is targeting Russia Why it shouldn't be destroyed?

00:39:58: If you guide and give whatever is necessary to destroy Russian oil refineries.

00:40:05: What makes you think that your own oil refiners are safe and secure?

00:40:13: I share these concerns, i address them ,i voice them even on an international level.

00:40:20: but then the other hand You cannot as Russians...and this now a crucial point..you can not unleash hell from your side.

00:40:29: Why ?

00:40:31: There's one concern.

00:40:37: I'm on the other side, you cannot understand.

00:40:41: We are good!

00:40:43: You don't understand this.

00:40:44: we'll

00:40:44: go to heaven and you will go to hell.

00:40:47: You have no church,

00:40:49: not Switzerland

00:40:49: but Germany.

00:40:50: No Christianity!

00:40:52: You have homosexuals running in your countries.

00:40:54: you forgot all the Christian valleys.

00:40:56: man we discuss it to start

00:40:58: with.

00:40:59: why do think that on this side of good when you're the purest form of evil look at Macron.

00:41:08: isn't he evil?

00:41:14: Macron is a living dead politician.

00:41:17: Come on!

00:41:17: He will be kicked out of his office, don't fight against these...

00:41:21: But he's still there!

00:41:21: ...these...

00:41:22: these... these bogeymen people.

00:41:23: No you know what the point is?

00:41:25: The problem is and this my concern

00:41:28: Sure

00:41:29: In Russian government with your president And this is the difference to Donald Trump.

00:41:34: You're totally right!

00:41:35: Trump starts a war, he says I'm a beast-bringer then it start's war in Venezuela and Iran.

00:41:43: but you know what is different between Trump & Putin?

00:41:47: He brings up so many war objectives that can walk out any minute and declare victory.

00:41:54: This my concern.

00:41:55: your president never say Oh sorry, I made a mistake or he can never say okay let's stop it.

00:42:04: It is

00:42:05: not worth fighting

00:42:06: for ten percent

00:42:07: of Donbass territory and Ukrainian Territory to risk the

00:42:11: world war.

00:42:12: Nothing can ever do

00:42:14: that.

00:42:14: Constitutionally it

00:42:16: is so terrible.

00:42:18: He did?

00:42:21: Of course!

00:42:22: He stated, Putin said

00:42:24: he

00:42:24: made the mistake.

00:42:25: I

00:42:27: can explain why?

00:42:28: You

00:42:28: should

00:42:29: stop

00:42:31: now!

00:42:32: You don't understand a mistake that you did... ...you never followed him.

00:42:36: He said ''I made a

00:42:37: mistake.''.

00:42:38: ''I should start it

00:42:39: earlier.''.

00:42:42: We

00:42:42: will finish what we started.

00:42:44: where Russians will always go to the very end.

00:42:49: We will not stop and kill

00:42:51: our goals.

00:42:52: if we have to destroy you all, we'll destroy you.

00:43:09: Now we are talking, but will have to continue next week.

00:43:11: And

00:43:12: every time... If someone is totally desperate he comes up with the Bible.

00:43:17: you've spent too much of

00:43:20: your time in the United States!

00:43:20: No no that's important.

00:43:22: if you come into the Bible it means that you're religious and believe God.

00:43:26: That not a desperation because hope isn't God and in Bible.

00:43:32: But when you start talking about the Bible, that means they are desperate?

00:43:37: No!

00:43:38: That mean's that YOU on the wrong side!

00:43:41: That means THAT YOU ON THE WRONG SIDE!

00:43:43: THAT YOU On The Side Of Homosexuality!

00:43:46: That YOU OnTheSide of Kids Wrapping!

00:43:49: That You On TheSide Of Epstein Island.

00:43:54: We Are On The Other Side And Not Personally You.

00:43:57: But I'm talking about European politicians.

00:44:00: Name me just one representative of political leaders that right now in power, in the West... ...that you can call real Christian?

00:44:09: Just one in Europe!

00:44:12: Bundesrat.

00:44:13: Guy Parmelin, president of Switzerland.

00:44:15: Guy Parmalen He's a true Christian.

00:44:18: Is he a friend

00:44:19: of peace

00:44:20: and is a true

00:44:21: believer in Swiss neutrality?

00:44:22: Right..is he NATO?

00:44:25: No, NATO Of course not!

00:44:28: Too bad.

00:44:29: So in NATO, can you name me one?

00:44:35: You have time till next week to...

00:44:36: One sentence from a Calvinist.

00:44:39: we are all on the wrong side.

00:44:41: This is

00:44:42: the point of Calvinist theology But human

00:44:45: beings are always.

00:44:47: That's why you're sect Not too real religion.

00:44:50: as far as I'm concerned.

00:44:51: All those...you don't even sense of humor in Calvinism.

00:44:55: It has been forbidden for many years.

00:44:57: He was

00:44:57: not even allowed to smile!

00:45:00: Well, for centuries

00:45:01: you were not ever allowed to have any jokes.

00:45:03: that's why I cannot name one great comedian coming from Switzerland.

00:45:07: What?

00:45:09: Of course we've got so many.

00:45:11: Emil Steinberger he is the best.

00:45:13: You haven't heard of him and no idea what are talking about.

00:45:16: Exactly it was so great

00:45:18: they never heard about them.

00:45:20: That's already a joke.

00:45:21: We had great comedians but nobody heard about us.

00:45:24: Okay, we'll get back next week.

00:45:25: Thank you

00:45:28: Roger!