«Es ist uns scheissegal, ob ihr uns liebt»: Solowjow und Köppel über den Ukraine-Krieg

00:00:06: Good morning!

00:00:37: That immediately happened after he visited Ukraine and that He was buried many days After this event, and he was buried in a coffin.

00:00:48: That Was actually closed And we haven't seen even one single autopsy staying that.

00:00:56: the reason of his death is Just suddenly he died.

00:01:00: what's he?

00:01:01: murdered by Ukrainians Is it?

00:01:04: The only way to pass this law That is so anti-Russian that basically you have to say, no more diplomatic or any other relationship between Russia and the United States.

00:01:16: It's almost a declaration of war.

00:01:19: So they had to kill him because now being dead he was much more valuable than alive.

00:01:29: My answer on this my opinion.

00:01:35: I think now you are entering the realm of conspiracy theory.

00:01:41: Exactly!

00:01:43: Absolutely, this goes too far... Come on!

00:01:48: That's how modern world is thinking right?

00:01:50: You're absolutely right!

00:01:51: Conspiracy!

00:01:53: Every

00:01:54: single turn is conspiracy.

00:01:56: exactly.

00:01:57: and then amazed that neither Russian nor Iran has been Blamed for killing lindstagram.

00:02:08: I mean, what is the law that the Senate passed?

00:02:12: What this shows?

00:02:13: it's a situation of United States and President Trump Is among the republicans in the US one of few politicians who argued from beginning For reasonable relationship to Russia.

00:02:31: But of course, on the right in the US as you well know there are a lot of Russia eaters and Lindsey Graham was among them.

00:02:39: I mean he was the guy who said if i write that we meaning The Americans the West We should fight Russia till the last Ukrainian?

00:02:51: He Was one Of the big endorses of this whole catastrophe, but Donald Trump actually is a pragmatist in his sense.

00:03:00: But the Republican Party and... This is that concerning thing.

00:03:04: In The Republican Party there are many people who probably still entrenched into cold war And I see what i observe with Europe as some politicians try to sit it out.

00:03:22: you know they wait till in the next election the midterms.

00:03:28: trump is losing big time and their hoping that then war fraction united states getting stronger.

00:03:36: which concerning development.

00:03:38: however if i listen some of american realists like john mirshheimer.

00:03:44: They are still convinced that this will not change the outcome of the war in Ukraine because they say Russia will win, but it'll end with a terrible situation.

00:04:00: But let me ask you one thing which I think always strikes when i listen to you...I see a big contradiction on your argument.

00:04:11: On the one hand, you're saying Russia is making progress.

00:04:15: Russia is winning and Russia will achieve its goals.

00:04:20: on The other hand You are advocating for escalation?

00:04:24: You were advocating for mobilization And this of course doesn't go together.

00:04:29: I mean if russia's really winning then you could continue to win.

00:04:36: but Yeah, on the other hand you're saying that much stronger means are needed.

00:04:41: Can you explain this contradiction in

00:04:44: your argument?

00:04:46: Pro-mobilization I'm against mobilization In terms of getting more people on the front line.

00:04:53: It's another type a war.

00:04:55: So i think those who say we need to mobilize More troops they are wrong.

00:05:01: it is completely different type of war.

00:05:03: You need train people for quite some time, you need to get them whatever they need ammunition and other stuff.

00:05:10: There's no need for that right now.

00:05:12: so there is no need of mobilization as such when we're talking about concentration efforts.

00:05:19: economic wise yes thats what necessary.

00:05:21: I do believe the best way in which i'm saying this has been much more aggressive means using completely different type weapon for achieving goals.

00:05:33: That's not sending more people on the front line that using different type of weapon for achieving goals.

00:05:40: In order to win this war we have to hit Europe hard and Not civilians, not the poor People who had no idea what is happening in world And living in villages or little towns.

00:05:55: Now The military infrastructure working for the benefit of Ukrainian Nazis.

00:06:04: We are winning this war and if you look for example Americans were saying that Russia is paper tiger And it come on.

00:06:11: You wanted to take Keith in three days.

00:06:13: That actually never been proclaimed as a goal, and he's complete bullshit.

00:06:18: But now look at you.

00:06:20: what do you achieved?

00:06:21: In Iran we can ask Americans nothing.

00:06:25: Basically, you are losing the swore against Iran As the result of this war.

00:06:31: you haven't gained even one single square inch.

00:06:34: You've lost your influence in Arab world.

00:06:38: He cannot protect you allies, he can not protect to your own military base... ...he cannot protect Israel and even Ormuz right now is closed And Babel Mandab is the next one straight that gonna be close.

00:06:51: Now Your gas tanker has been hit by the coastline of Lebanon.

00:06:58: We don't know by whom but what are you getting?

00:07:02: And when we're talking about America and this law that they are passing, come on.

00:07:07: If you putting sanctions on Russian president how can he afterwards send your ambassador of doing what?

00:07:18: Meeting the person that you acclaiming is under sanctions?

00:07:22: So realistically it means that you declaring war On Russia.

00:07:26: so get a hell out of Russia.

00:07:29: Take your ambassador Out Of Russia.

00:07:31: Send russian diplomats back to Russia.

00:07:35: Cut all the relationship with Russia economic political everything and what we'll do.

00:07:41: I think We should confiscate whatever you have Americans in Russia including businesses And they will get out of the dollar zone, and that would be the end of the world economy as we know it now.

00:07:56: The same with Europeans.

00:07:58: Why are getting this twenty first?

00:08:01: list of sanctions and yes still buying Russian gas.

00:08:08: It's stupid.

00:08:10: So just forget about Russia.

00:08:13: put the iron curtain.

00:08:15: No more economic relationship with Russia bang euros in a relationship with russia.

00:08:22: That's it, forget about us and try to survive.

00:08:25: you'll have very reliable source of energy coming from the United States with very predictable American leader, who is willing to take part of.

00:08:39: that's what you consider to be yours like Greenland.

00:08:42: But of course he gonna fight him and Of course He can absolutely sure that he will not sanction European companies and European manufacturers because here's an Ella views right?

00:08:56: And You decided to get rid of Russia because a lot.

00:08:59: What do we have to gain from this war with Russia?

00:09:02: And now when Putin is saying that whether you like it or not, but history borders gonna emerge and the land has been given to Ukraine by Stalin.

00:09:15: That used to be Polish Hungarian Romanian sooner or later will get back Poland Hungary and Romania.

00:09:25: So what political leaders of those countries gonna say?

00:09:28: Oh, no.

00:09:30: No We're going to fight for Stalin's order and the world order that has been created by bloody tyrants.

00:09:37: Stalin That gave us...that give our land To Ukraine should stay or they will say come on.

00:09:44: there are people living in their data Hungarians Pollux Romanians And we want them back to motherland with land that used to be ours.

00:09:54: What are they gonna say?

00:09:56: If Russia lose, let's imagine.

00:10:00: what will be in it for Poland Hungary and Romania?

00:10:05: And if Russia wins, what would be there?

00:10:08: Romanians get back the territory Hungarians gets back their territory Poland gets back its territory.

00:10:17: Tell me As any political leader that is interested in national interest of his people... ...what was your choice?

00:10:26: Keep spending taxpayers money for the war that they can gain nothing out of it or been realistic saying that we want our historic land back.

00:10:37: What's to rate answer?

00:10:40: I've question

00:10:42: points.

00:10:43: first and what you're saying It's interesting about the United States of America in Iran.

00:10:50: And it's off course true That day totally underestimated Iran, and its a similar situation that we see with Russia.

00:11:01: I mean even Russia underestimated totally the Ukraine, it underestimated the response of the West and i think President Putin got trapped in his own rhetoric when you read these speeches...I mean some of them where he talks about the decadence.

00:11:23: Why can the West cause so many problems for Russians?

00:11:28: Twenty-second,

00:11:31: nineteen forty

00:11:39: one till

00:11:42: May ninth.

00:11:46: Nineteen forty five We gained a Soviet Union less territory that became part of the Soviet union.

00:12:06: That we gained from twenty fourth of February two thousand twenty to till today.

00:12:13: This military campaign that were having now is One of the most successful military campaigns in their history of the twentieth century and twenty-first century.

00:12:27: We gained land, as obviously is finally domestic seal Russia.

00:12:33: we gained people...we haven't lost people!

00:12:37: We gained more people…We increased population in Russia.

00:12:42: Economically were growing not declining.

00:12:47: if you put back this stupid rhetorics We are much more successful than any military campaign held by anyone in the twentieth century.

00:12:58: You native forces managed to lose war in Iraq.

00:13:03: after decades of fighting in Iraq, you have zero influence on Iraq!

00:13:12: After all those people being killed there – you are not there and retreated from Afghanistan.

00:13:20: What military campaign NATO forces can actually put as the active, as a benefit?

00:13:30: This situation?

00:13:31: economically you lost.

00:13:33: You have growth that is basically zero if not declining.

00:13:39: since twenty two Your economy isn't in good shape.

00:13:45: He had fled a lot of refugees.

00:13:48: The level of life of your people declined because you have to pay some ugly guys that are coming with their Rolls Royces and saying they owe the money.

00:14:00: You've lost Russian market, you've lost russian affordable resources... ...you spoiled your relationship with China.. ..you've lost all your businesses in Russia.

00:14:16: on what fronts are you winning?

00:14:21: I'm not arguing that Europe is winning in this war anything, i am arguing that europe it's one of the big losers.

00:14:29: In these confrontations totally useless.

00:14:32: but and here you are living a fairytale land whatever u say i think its always interesting to listen to.

00:14:41: account points to conventional system

00:14:43: But it's just basic calculation.

00:14:45: Territory gained,

00:14:47: natural

00:14:47: resources gained, population gained against losses.

00:14:52: I'm talking here from a Swiss perspective which is the neutral observer or trying to be a neutral observer and share some of your opinions.

00:15:03: but i think its obvious that also for russia we are seeing that these kind of wars are extremely expensive.

00:15:11: i mean, we see growing discontent in russia.

00:15:14: We're reading probably in our newspapers.

00:15:17: they're like kicking out some of the people in the elite.

00:15:20: you have big problems

00:15:25: where?

00:15:25: You had to push away your Mr Shoigu.

00:15:28: he was the general leader.

00:15:31: push to another position.

00:15:33: I mean, Russia has... What's the

00:15:34: position?

00:15:35: ...I don't judge it!

00:15:36: I just say... Look

00:15:37: but once again forget about your damn papers.

00:15:40: they had no idea what is happening.

00:15:42: Shai-Goo right now in a new position that in rank of Russian authority is higher than Minus World Defense.

00:15:52: I'm not believing what the German or European newspapers are saying and counting on my own sources Yeah

00:15:58: But with Minister Shai Goo Right Now He is in a position that, in Russian hierarchy... ...is higher than Minasov defense.

00:16:11: The basic thing is the following This war is of course terrible.

00:16:17: It's very dangerous.

00:16:18: Every war is terrible

00:16:19: Of course But your contradiction Is still around.

00:16:23: I mean if you're saying That this is the most successful military campaign Why are you criticizing Your government?

00:16:30: Because i wanted to be even more successful Because I want to destroy the evil itself, because i don't wanna hit the barking dog.

00:16:44: But this is total crap!

00:16:49: You cannot say that im trying to destroy evil... This kind of biblical language give me a break.

00:16:56: I mean, the basic thing.

00:16:57: That's

00:16:57: why you will never understand us because we

00:17:00: are people

00:17:00: of religion and you're trying to be pragmatic And with them open windows thinking that Calvin was the greatest ever.

00:17:10: Come on guys!

00:17:11: You just have no fucking idea what religion is... ...you have your very pragmatic way Of getting Bible To a couple of thesis that has nothing to do with true religion.

00:17:24: You never fought for your religion in the way that we did, you never suffered from beliefs.

00:17:30: That's why I have this very pragmatic way basically absolutely as we call it erythics way.

00:17:39: Heritus!

00:17:39: That means i choose what i want to believe and don't wanna believe And that's why all your European attitude toward religion is perfect.

00:17:48: one, saying those chapters I do like.

00:17:52: Those chapters... No no no!

00:17:54: That i don't want to.

00:17:55: and by the way yeah we'll call it yet another version of Christianity Like those damn Brits.

00:18:02: When this motherfucker couldn't get a chance or fuck yet other lady he decided to marry her and she was number eight.

00:18:08: He decided well, no more Rome?

00:18:11: No more

00:18:11: Catholicism?!

00:18:13: Let me get my own religion, I will decide by myself.

00:18:16: And now they called Anglican Church with homosexuals on the top of it.

00:18:22: Wow man that's true religion!

00:18:25: Yeah of course... So don't you discuss religion matters with Russian Jew?

00:18:31: Forget it y'know.

00:18:32: and when he said oh come one we are the ones who suffer for our beliefs and ready to die not YOU.

00:18:41: Are there values to die for?

00:18:44: Not religious one, and I respect that.

00:18:47: But when you're saying your religion believes they are total crap... No man!

00:18:52: We suffered for them.

00:18:55: That's the way we live.

00:18:57: That is why we are Russians And thats why we have God.

00:19:02: The value of human life as far were concerned Is very important but motherland and beliefs It's much more important that life of every single one of us.

00:19:19: We have purpose and this purpose is not egoistic.

00:19:22: in the center of our universe, In The Center Of Our Universe it Is Not We!

00:19:30: It'S NOT ME THE HUMAN BEING NOW IT'S GOD IN THE CENTRAL WORLD.

00:19:36: THAT'S HOW WE THINK.

00:19:37: THAT'S WHY WE FIGHT.

00:19:39: THAT'S WAY.

00:19:40: NO ONE EVER No one ever will be able to fight against Russians and win.

00:19:52: Yeah, but let me.

00:20:06: that's important man.

00:20:08: It is one

00:20:08: thing and I'll give you a chance after the news break But there's nothing that you do not understand.

00:20:15: We're not fighting for your understanding or for your love.

00:20:20: we couldn't give them about it?

00:20:22: We don't want you to love us.

00:20:24: i told him many times we Don't want your love.

00:20:29: You just have to fear Us.

00:20:31: he has to be sure.

00:20:33: That's only thing.

00:20:34: if you cannot Live with us.

00:20:36: Leave us alone!

00:20:38: If you cannot find a way of communicating, forget about us.

00:20:43: We don't give a fuck.

00:20:46: But if you are willing to try us You have to know we're the worst enemy that can even dream off and imagine The worst And were best friends if he can understand Russian soul.

00:21:07: We'll continue after the short break.

00:21:10: A love explanation to the diversity of opinions.

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00:21:46: Thank

00:21:52: you very much.

00:21:59: And now became official part of Russian Federation.

00:22:09: So because, yes we went all the way to Berlin but then had go back.

00:22:13: so it's completely... You know its not for first time that you've been in Berlin.

00:22:18: Every century We have a tendency of marching in Berlin.

00:22:22: Well.. To look at it realistically I mean and i don't my sources are not the western newspapers I talk with people from Russia several times as well in recent weeks and I observe there is a growing concern in Russia.

00:22:44: And, you know the people are not happy with everything.

00:22:50: it's going too many dead people on the front line at to heavy price.

00:22:56: now they receive an rumor of new wave of mobilization.

00:22:59: i have heard that Moscow some You know, because a lot of people have already tried to go away.

00:23:08: I mean you...you know much better what's going on.

00:23:10: but i see yeah

00:23:11: that's why they can't tell me those people who we are talking about.

00:23:15: They cannot leave any time Russian boat here But russian borders are open.

00:23:19: So if they want to go there we should.

00:23:21: I mean, we are journalists here.

00:23:22: We should try to bring a realistic view not the propaganda views of kind of gun hole.

00:23:30: Sorry.

00:23:30: then The second thing you're always saying?

00:23:33: The

00:23:33: West wants to destroy Russia the west ones too To push russia back to yeah even to destroy russia to annihilate russia

00:23:43: exactly and

00:23:44: i have to contradict That's not true.

00:23:47: I mean, the basic thing if you start to take seriously The position also of Western politicians You can criticize it.

00:23:55: but there is one thing In nineteen ninety four Russia has signed a contract called the Budapest Memorandum.

00:24:04: and this memorandum russia said we guarantee the security Of the Ukrainian borders And in exchange that Ukrainians gave their Soviet Union nuclear weapons to Russia, which was officially lawfully the successor of The Soviet Union.

00:24:25: And now we have a situation where Russia for what reasons whatever decided to invade sovereign Ukraine.

00:24:36: and Now you Vladimir?

00:24:38: You are expecting the Germans to say thank you very much Russia that you invaded Ukraine, because this brings us in a fantastic position.

00:24:48: Because now Berlin which had quite an okay relationship with Moscow is totally paralyzed!

00:24:57: No German politician can shake hands with the Kremlin when the Kremlin is changing.

00:25:04: The borders in between.

00:25:05: because also there are some guys in Germany who have not forgotten history and then they start to think about the Hitler star impact of nineteen thirty nine which was in the western European and even some eastern or middle-European collective consciousness, is a basic reason for breaking out of World War II because these two dictators agreed.

00:25:30: And then they started to change their borders.

00:25:33: This is the psychological problem that exists there in Europe of the critics of Russia.

00:25:41: Of course you can say these are all idiots, they don't believe in God...

00:25:45: No!

00:25:45: They're not idiots.

00:25:46: It's worse than that.

00:25:47: They just said it was worse on that road.

00:25:50: But

00:25:50: let me tell you this I mean even if your honest Vladimir... I'm always honest.

00:25:58: You were disappointed by how this war is going?

00:26:01: You would love to see that its over putting your president.

00:26:05: he isn't a guy for long wars.

00:26:07: he's a brilliant strategist or used to be one and the tactician.

00:26:13: but now

00:26:14: sorry,

00:26:14: he overestimated himself.

00:26:16: Now that my last point is important

00:26:21: I agree

00:26:22: with you.

00:26:23: no come on it's my turn now.

00:26:25: i agree with u that the westerners the americans the europeans they always over estimate themselves even the swiss from time-to-time.

00:26:35: But also the Russians tend to overestimate themselves.

00:26:40: And my basic theory is.

00:26:42: we see in Iran, In Ukraine that these wars are too expensive and I say That their responsibility of everybody Also guys like you Is not To engage in this kind of flamethrower rhetoric Of insults and total rhetorical annihilation.

00:27:03: But you should try to understand the other guy, and we should find a solution.

00:27:08: To get out of this mess... We have all put ourselves into it!

00:27:12: And even though Russia is closer to go-to The Almighty & to the Holy Gold This doesn't make more immune against errors & overestimations of yourself.

00:27:27: So let's go back to realism here.

00:27:31: Okay so Be chance to dream.

00:27:33: Let's get back to realism.

00:27:34: First of all, from point one let us go up.

00:27:40: Before Ukrainian memorandum the Budapest Memorandum of nineteen four We had Helsinki agreement.

00:27:48: According this Helsinki pact The borders in Europe should not be changed On base that.

00:27:56: please give me my motherland Soviet Union whose borders been changed, give me back German Democratic Republic, restore back Yugoslavia that has been annihilated by NATO.

00:28:13: So if you want to talk about borders in Europe and about changing of those borders even we are talking about Germans what ever happened with the German Democratic republic?

00:28:26: Then on Budapest Memorandum, let me remind you that this memorandum means it's an agreement of intent.

00:28:37: It has never been ratified neither by Ukrainian side nor by Russian sides or the parliaments of countries that signed them.

00:28:49: so they have not ever actually been implemented.

00:28:54: The idea to give back military, nuclear weapon.

00:28:59: It was an American idea not Russian idea and Russia by the way paid for this with certain goodies.

00:29:06: at the same time let me remind you that Ukraine changed The basic principles on which the sovereignty of This country has been established.

00:29:20: it was first of all neutral status in the fundamental document of Ukrainian sovereignty laid a principle that they will never be part any military ally.

00:29:36: In the...in two thousand four Ukraine, and then in two thousand eight I think They claimed to want become part of NATO So already ruined basic principles of their sovereignty.

00:29:53: Then on Stalin & Hitler Pact of Molotov-Ribbentrop.

00:29:59: Let me remind you that Russia, Soviet Union was the last country of Europe That signed this type agreement with Nazi Germany.

00:30:10: The first one actually Poland.

00:30:13: Let me reminded you that a Second World War basically started.

00:30:17: Yes on September First, Ninety thirty nine.

00:30:20: But please do remind Me which countries invaded Poland.

00:30:26: It was Germany and there is another country that decided, now they have the right to get back their territory.

00:30:35: That was given by... ...the decision of European countries.

00:30:44: And it's part of sovereign country which has been given in Germany.

00:30:48: Let me remind you In this pact of Molotov-Ribbentrop, there was nothing about invading or taking back countries.

00:30:59: If you even look at his protocol – You'll see that what I'm saying is in case of certain events Russia basically has the right on territory That used to be Russian territories Before World War.

00:31:16: The line between Kyrgyzstan and Russia was promised By this time, by the agreement that ended the First World War.

00:31:26: And let me remind you that Russia decided to take part in this war and on September fifteenth our troops went to Poland when there was no longer Polish government... ...and there is no fight with Polish troops!

00:31:46: And we got back lands that were part of Russian Empire.

00:31:49: The same with Baltic states!

00:31:51: Let me remind you, that Russia came there Soviet Union by the initiative people in those countries invited soviet troops.

00:32:03: At this time please let me remind all those Baltic States People who are in power were representatives from those nations as well presented on the very high hierarchy of Soviet Union.

00:32:21: When you are talking about invasion in Ukraine, it has nothing to do with reality!

00:32:28: Let me remind that Russian Federation made an agreement with Donetsk People Republic and Lugansk People's Republic Had the referendum on the territories and declared their sovereignty.

00:32:48: And they fought against what?

00:32:51: They considered to be military coup in Kiev that Austin from power legitimate president Unicovich, and gained into power unlegitimate Torchinoff That became Interim President of Ukraine.

00:33:11: There is no such sign.

00:33:13: who started special Police operation against people of Donbass using Ukrainian military that is prohibited by constitution of Ukraine.

00:33:25: And the people of donbass, at a vote and referendum decided to fight against those illegal military coups!

00:33:35: When we recognized those states as sovereign state We signed an agreement with them Of protecting them.

00:33:45: That's why According to this agreement that been signed in February of two thousand twenty-two, we started our special military operation.

00:33:59: Claiming the purpose is protecting people from Donbass.

00:34:05: and was it territory wise?

00:34:08: We never claimed.

00:34:09: you want to get key if anything else!

00:34:11: At same time let me remind you German people eat shit.

00:34:20: When Americans invaded Afghanistan and destroyed Afghanistan for all the misfortunes and tragedy of September XI that has been not committed by Afghan pilots, but they were pilots from other countries.

00:34:36: Afghanistan had been destroyed and millions of civilians were killed.

00:34:42: Then by completely false reasons invaded Iraq And then admitted their delight Colin Powell with his world famous statement in the General Assembly where he was here on the United Council.

00:35:05: You Germans, French, whomever trying at first to fight against it.

00:35:15: and let me remind you that initial stage leaders of France and Germany decided not to support invasion into Iraq And then, quite soon somehow they managed to lose their position.

00:35:30: On the next iteration of this war no one was saying even one word against it.

00:35:36: So when Europeans are trying say that they're against moving borders let me remind you That German pilots for first time since Second World War took part in military operation against Serbia At a time where there were only

00:35:55: one

00:35:56: step from signing of the peace deal.

00:36:00: And Serbians were trying to do their

00:36:01: best,

00:36:03: even if they interest was completely destroyed!

00:36:07: So now when we are protecting people on Donbas knowing pretty well what happened in Yugoslavia When NATO forces allowed massacre of Serbs and you're blaming us?

00:36:24: Using that term invasion We never invaded anyone.

00:36:30: We are protecting Russian people that declared their independence.

00:36:36: And they're right, according to the Charters of the United Nations That every nation has a right on its own state.

00:36:44: Isn't it true?

00:36:46: Isn't is one of the main principles Of the United Nation Charters ?

00:36:52: And now you suddenly decided To tell us what's right and wrong Two dictators !

00:37:00: Hitler and Stalin.

00:37:02: Wow!

00:37:03: And what happened with other leaders?

00:37:06: Mussolini, Franco... Leaders of Poland that managed to die before this in nineteen thirty-nine.

00:37:15: Pilsudski They were not dictators?

00:37:19: Salazar In Portugal?

00:37:22: Who are they?

00:37:24: Nice little guys from the toy shop Pink ponies?

00:37:32: Or United States at this time with all the problems that they had and all the methods, or Europeans suddenly decided to read us morality.

00:37:46: After Avon conference when they told Germans basically Jews it's your responsibility if there are citizens of Germany do whatever you want for them?

00:37:56: Or Holocaust just happened on territory occupied in Germany.

00:38:03: And what happened with Jews of France, Scandinavian countries?

00:38:11: Holland.

00:38:12: Oh!

00:38:12: Wrong question I see... So don't teach us lesson on morality.

00:38:20: invasion we never invaded.

00:38:23: We NEVER invaded.

00:38:26: Never.

00:38:27: Look at what Iran.

00:38:29: look at what America is doing with the run.

00:38:31: they killed political leaders over.

00:38:33: run three times three layers of political leaders and look at Ukrainian leaders.

00:38:38: they're still all alive.

00:38:39: Yeah, the Iranians I mean okay The great moral teacher Vladimir Soloviev tells me not to give moral lessons.

00:38:48: No i don't keep moral lessons!

00:38:49: I looked it from a realistic point-of view.

00:38:52: And we can argue for ages about international law.

00:38:57: as you well know there are different interpretations.

00:39:00: There are no different interpretations of the Second World War.

00:39:04: Forget it!

00:39:16: According to this court decision, The war has been started by Nazi Germany.

00:39:24: I don't go into this argument, i agree with that.

00:39:26: That would not say the Nazis didn't start before the Second World War.

00:39:30: but let's just tell you...

00:39:31: Okay in Europe do you still respect decisions of the Nuremberg Tribunal or not?

00:39:37: That is the most important question.

00:39:40: But now we shouldn't..that it isn't a fruitful discussion.

00:39:44: We should go to present tense.

00:39:49: What are seeing at moment?

00:39:52: In my interpretation, I mean you can argue it from an international point of law perspective but i think that's not the thing here.

00:40:00: Russia is defending its sphere of influence at its borders?

00:40:07: Russia has no interest whatsoever.

00:40:09: that NATO or Western military alliance goes into Ukraine comes closer to your borders That's true.

00:40:19: But Russia has signed on the other hand contracts in Istanbul, two thousand or nineteen ninety nine.

00:40:26: Which was a year where they said every state which signs this agreement can choose their military alliance freely if it doesn't violate the security interests of another country.

00:40:41: and there Of course The West and Russia have totally different ways of interpreting.

00:40:47: And Russia has decided to invade.

00:40:49: I mean, it's an invasion.

00:40:50: Come on!

00:40:51: Let us not engage in this kind

00:40:54: of stupid sophistry.

00:40:55: Of course you have invaded

00:40:56: the country.

00:40:57: It is a contradiction.

00:41:01: Okay Have you invaded Ukraine?

00:41:03: Whose troops went into Ukraine?

00:41:05: Who is for guarding Ukrainian business?

00:41:08: Have you invaded Syria?

00:41:10: Yes or no?

00:41:12: Was

00:41:12: that an invasion?

00:41:13: But do you... I mean, come on.

00:41:15: Are we now at this stupid level that justifying

00:41:18: your errors with the stupidities of the

00:41:20: others?

00:41:21: No!

00:41:21: It's extremely important judicial terms.

00:41:25: One thing when they are saying invasion Another thing is when they're saying that You fulfilled a treaty With the country protecting it.

00:41:36: It's very important Because later will be international Court decisions, we've never invaded.

00:41:48: That's completely wrong!

00:41:49: Have America invaded Iran?

00:41:52: Of course

00:41:53: not invaded.

00:41:54: they have provided it but... No

00:41:56: but also invaded.

00:41:57: if you remember land operation trying to save the pilot of course okay in this case where are dissension against America?

00:42:06: yeah I agree with you that there is a Himalaya of hypocrisy out We don't have to discuss, but it is the decision of your government... ...to engage in this kind of war.

00:42:21: And now we are still in this war even though its' the most successful military operation according to Vladimir Solovyov

00:42:28: and you're still into statistics.

00:42:30: By the way where did he get his story about enormous losses on Russian people?

00:42:39: That's what I

00:42:41: was told

00:42:43: when i'm

00:42:48: in Russia.

00:42:52: So in this case,

00:43:01: if they do the

00:43:08: correct study.

00:43:09: I will be very interested to know them, because in science there are certain methods of evaluating the losses and they're all well known.

00:43:20: It's statistical amount of new graves is dynamic of the growth population that's increase or decrease rate of death in comparison with same period last year.

00:43:33: if you take those numbers then we'll see

00:43:38: huge

00:43:39: growth on those lines.

00:43:42: That's why when someone is telling you this, from the science and methodological point of view it's extremely important to see where did they gain it from?

00:43:51: Because when we are talking about Ukraine... You'll see!

00:43:54: It's obvious its decrease in population tremendous

00:44:01: awful.

00:44:02: if you're talking about Russia you won't see those ups.

00:44:07: That's why every time when people are trying to put this emotional thing I'm asking about exact numbers And that's where it doesn't match.

00:44:17: Okay,

00:44:18: let me ask you

00:44:19: a question.

00:44:20: and the loose of Every life is tragedy Of course.

00:44:24: But if you...and i told You When we have exchange of buddies It's everytime We give five hundred We get back twenty or thirty.

00:44:37: That's why it is not even possible to compare.

00:44:40: In Ukraine they had a statistic of new graves, those that were published in local paper.

00:44:51: Six months ago there was more than already seven hundred thousand.

00:44:57: So yes its an awful loss for people from Ukraine but they haven't admitted this.

00:45:02: They are saying like fifty-thousand and thats it!

00:45:05: Thats bullshit in Russia.

00:45:09: completely different statistics.

00:45:11: Terrible

00:45:11: a reason why we should stop this mass killing immediately, let me ask you one final question.

00:45:19: We claim since day one that we can't stop at any given moment of time!

00:45:35: documents that are well known, been published and the Ukrainian sign admitted by Arachamiya.

00:45:42: That way even... What's this term?

00:45:47: Ratified or something like this.

00:45:50: Periphanite!

00:45:51: They were ready to be signed And we had agreement on every single point.

00:45:57: There was not a question at this time of territory of Zaporizhia Crimea and Donbass.

00:46:09: We never ever, even one word in this agreement was about.

00:46:15: Ukraine should not exist.

00:46:17: Give us Lvov give us Kiev nothing like that.

00:46:20: That's why these European fake news that Russia is willing to conquer Ukraine Ukrainian sovereignty has nothing to do with reality.

00:46:32: Just read stumble papers, read stumble agreement.

00:46:38: Here we have no disagreement.

00:46:40: one final question We are running out of time.

00:46:42: I'm looking at the clock

00:46:43: here.

00:46:44: You have to keep your schedule right.

00:46:46: next time you have to discuss The Question What actually is the military sense?

00:46:54: no, it will not destroy the willingness.

00:47:19: It will

00:47:23: not effect the willingness of the European elites to die.

00:47:27: But it'll destroy military potential, to fulfill their desire for destroying us.

00:47:34: Because right now what we see is that Europeans invested enormous amount money into military industrial complex.

00:47:42: We say how they are building up a military machine.

00:47:45: Why should be wait?

00:47:47: Then there's states and they're willing Ukrainians ballistic missiles that will be manufactured on the joint factories in the United Kingdom, Germany and Scandinavia.

00:48:00: Why should we wait all this ballistic to hit our territory when what can do right now is to heat those factories?

00:48:10: So these ballistic will not be produced!

00:48:13: It's completely pragmatic as you'd say decision.

00:48:17: And that you want to destroy Russia, or are planning on having a war with Russia is obvious.

00:48:24: Because in your budget for the next year of military expenses on Ukraine it's seventy billion euros!

00:48:32: You're planning!

00:48:34: So why should we wait?

00:48:37: Two remarks and if I allow... First this would be extremely dangerous because then it would become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:48:48: You would enforce all the war propagandists in the West, and we'd say you see?

00:48:54: We always told you Russia is crazy!

00:48:57: Putin is The New Hitler...

00:49:05: And what will happen then?

00:49:11: He takes us..we

00:49:14: always

00:49:16: promised it.

00:49:17: Sure.

00:49:19: And secondly if production

00:49:22: size

00:49:23: starts... What'll happen then ?

00:49:25: I know that you are saying well Americans never come to rescue Europe I wouldn't be so sure.

00:49:45: And if we wait for yet another time, when Germans will get their own nuclear weapon.

00:49:50: When they'll build enough missiles... ...enough meetings..enough drones or whatever and then they start doing this!

00:49:57: Why?

00:49:58: Every single century you're doing

00:49:59: this?!

00:50:01: We don't want to give any chance.

00:50:03: WE ARE ALREADY ABSOLUTE EVIL IN YOUR EYES.

00:50:06: WHY SHOULD WE GIVE A FUCK?

00:50:09: WE DON'T NEED YOUR LOVE.

00:50:11: WE DONT CARE FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN YOUR BRAINS.

00:50:16: That's not it.

00:50:17: We just want to be sure that there is no threat coming from this part of the world and There is no thread when there is No weapon that can use against us.

00:50:27: so destroying your factories, you're just absolutely pragmatic.

00:50:36: Americans don't want anything to do with Europe.

00:50:39: why Americans should risk?

00:50:42: You haven't helped them with Iran?

00:50:44: Why should they help me with Russia?

00:50:54: Do you

00:51:09: think that China will allow this kind of escalation by the Kremlin?

00:51:14: We don't need permission from anyone, we are not Europeans that rely on American umbrella.

00:51:25: WE ARE RUSSIAN BEAR!

00:51:28: WE DON'T ASK PERMISSIONS!

00:51:31: WE MOVE, WE MOVE AND DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SURVIVE IN THIS WILD, WILD WORLD!

00:51:42: WE ALWAYS SURVIVE!

00:51:44: THANK YOU ROGIA.